National Recording Registry picks for 2006
- Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation? Really? Don't get me wrong, I spent many a fine hour with Sonic Youth throughout middle and high school and still have a fondness for them despite their continual decline since Expiremental Jet Set, Trash & No Star, but is Daydream Nation really worthy of preservation in the Library of Congress? Probably not.
- This, however, I can get onboard with.
The album cover that launched a million frat party t-shirts...
- Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation? Really? Don't get me wrong, I spent many a fine hour with Sonic Youth throughout middle and high school and still have a fondness for them despite their continual decline since Expiremental Jet Set, Trash & No Star, but is Daydream Nation really worthy of preservation in the Library of Congress? Probably not.
- This, however, I can get onboard with.
The album cover that launched a million frat party t-shirts...
posted by Todd Jones at 8:28 PM
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Man, I LOVE that album.
Might have to break that one out tomorrow.
Of course, the frat shirts conveniently leave out any American flags. I mean, maybe it's just me, but I hate frat kids pimping Confederate flags and all that bullshit. I wonder how many of them (like me) know if their family had a plantation (mine did), owned slaves (mine did) or faught valiantly for the Confederacy (mine did that, as well). Something tells me that these kids just like slapping a Confederate flag sticker to the back of their Suburban and screaming the words to "Dixie" whenever they feel like it. And to think, this is coming from a liberal. But it really pisses me off. I mean, most families in South Carolina, where my family had their plantation, lost all their money after the War -- execpt for those chodes in Charleston. But anyway...I'm just a little intoxicated and rambling. But I bet 2:1 that those kids' ancestors didn't have half the shit laying on the line in the War that my family did.
Wow, newspaper hack, you are too liberal! Of course the reason the Confederate battle flag is offensive to all black and right-thinking white people has nothing to do with the fact that most of the jackasses who wear it know shit-all about history--that would be a given. The reason it's offensive is that it represents the wrong side in a war to preserve slavery. Oh, and then there's the fact that most southern statehouses couldn't be bothered to fly the thing until the 1960s as a rebuke to the Civil Rights Movement. But, hey, if your family owned a plantation, by all means, please go ahead and pin one on.
And BTW any southern person, black or white, who can trace their family back five to seven generations will find plantation owners--it's almost a mathematical certainty when you go back that far. So claiming you're descended from slaveholders says more about you than your putatively august lineage.
Finally, "chode" is spelled choad. Choad.
i'm not going to open the "preservation of slavery vs. the federalist consolidation of power" can of worms, but i'll dispute the ANY southern family that can trace it's lineage five to seven generations will find a plantation owner. it's more of a mathematical certainty that they won't considering the huge disparity between the landed gentry and the small time farmers and sharecroppers. i can't for certain trace mine that far, but i'm pretty damn sure that the immediate several generations of plain country white trash preceding me didn't come from the manor house.
Not the point. It's a mathematical certainty that you both will and won't find slaveholders. Point being that two to the 6th power is 64 and you're probably going to get a lot of everything in that group unless you're a real blueblood, in the original sense, or full-on trash.
Preservation of slavery vs. the "federalist" (Federal? It means something different, yes? The Federalists consolidated power in 1789) consolidation of power is not a can of worms--at least not among anyone who doesn't claim membership in the Southern League. It's awfully hard to get a couple million guys to fight in arguably the most grisly war ever over an abstraction. Hmm, now what compelling southern interest did consolidation of federal power threaten circa 1861? And don't give me that most nonslaveholders did not have an interest in slavery. Even if they didn't see themselves as planters-in-the-making--which most did--they enjoyed an enormous psychological benefit as members of the "ruling race."
xoxo,
Chad M.
fkconsidering roughly 1/3 of southerners owned slaves (and that's including the smaller farmers that owned only one slave, far from the stereotypical plantation slave owners who held slaves in the hundreds) it's still more of a mathematical certainty that there weren't slaveholders in a southern families history, especially considering the influx of outsider stock into southern lineage over the years.
"enormous psychological benefit as members of the ruling race"? please, do that whole liberal "i know you better than you know yourself, even though you lived well over a century ago and there's no possible way for me to understand your thoughts and motives" thing some more. that's always a welcome party trick. but i mean, i'm sure you have a point there. i'm sure plenty of sharecroppers went to bed exhausted each night with thoughts of racial superiority to keep their bellies full.
fighting for what one considers home isn't an abstraction. the plantation/slave owners were your officers, sure, but the grunts who did the fighting did it because the thought of yankee soldiers invading their lands was just too much to bear. study a little civil war history and you'll come across scores of letters/journals/etc of rebel fighting men who's plainly spoken motives for going to war were love of home. robert e. lee resigned his commission with the us army to defend virginia because he was more loyal to his home state than the overall u.s. and how are you going to get all "it was all about slavery" when the ideas of prosecuting a civil were with the intent of abolishing slavery weren't even acknowledged until the gettysburg adress?
xoxo,
todd j
Wow, but some folks could do with a stats 101 class, couldn't they? Yes, theoretically all 64 of you forebears could end up in the roughly 66 out of 100 white antebellum Southerners who didn't own slaves, but that rather beggars belief, doesn't it?
As for the point that southerners were fighting to protect their home: What to make of the fact that white Southerners mobbed to Confederate standards at the outset of the war when politicians were predicting a 90-day war but that the Confederacy had to resort to a draft (the first in American--yes, American) history once the Union hordes started pouring across the borders?
Admittedly, abolition didn't start as a union war aim but that wasn't why white southerners opted for secession. The point was that the South could not match the rate of growth of the free-labor north and had to watch as its share of national political power continued to shrink with no reason to believe that the trend could reverse itself. In this context, the question became not whether the North would abolish slavery now but whether it might ever reach the point where it would. And northern states had, after all, elected a purely sectional candidate in 1860 who expressed reservations about slavery; how much longer until the North would call for abolition? In other words, the slave South responded rationally acording to its self-interest when it seceded. And it wasn't about states' rights and it wasn't about home. It was about the perpetuation of slavery.
Wow, some folks could use a Civil War class, too, couldn't they? Sadly, it probably wouldn't help.
considering i double majored in history and philosophy with the focus of my history degree being american history from the revolutionary war to reconstruction, i'd say i've had plenty of civil war classes and have more than a passing familiarity with the subject.
what to make of the fact that the csa instituted a draft? maybe the fact that war sucks and once the romanticism of gallantly heading off to face the "yankee hordes" had worn off and the reality of the hell of war sunk in it became necessary to institute a draft? what to make of the fact that the union also began conscriptions? and also what to make of the fact that union troops had to be pulled from gettysburg to quell the rioting in new york after lincoln passed his own conscription act? maybe because they weren't willing to go off to war for a bunch of slaves that they didn't give a damn about?
so now you change the topic from why southern boys fought to why the south seceded in the first place? nice tactic. i have no problem agreeing that the south seceded because the expansion westward was shifting the power to the non-slave north and the confederate states felt that the federal government no longer represented their interests. yes, slavery was a huge reason for secession. THE WAR, on the other hand, was about state's rights, namely their right to secede from a gov't and political system that no longer reflected the interests and will of it's people and was being used to punish them. the south seceded, lincoln invaded and prosecuted the war as a means to consolidate governmental power in washington instead of the state capitals, not to free the slaves. in fact he gave several speeches and statements to that effect (including his approval of the johnson-crittenden resolution which stated that the war was being fought solely to restore the union as it existed before the war and NOT to interfere with any established institutions, i.e. slavery). further, lincoln countermanded orders made by union generals (the names escape me, maybe i do need some more civil war classes after all) in missouri, florida, georgia, and south carolina to free any slaves held by rebels, and in the case of missouri, rebel sympathizers.
so seriously, do you want to keep this up? maybe you should take some "not being an annoying internet troll" classes, but sadly they probably wouldn't help.
Nah, not really. Good luck with your double major from Alabama.
Genius, a little research of the site would show he went to UAB.
Right. I meant good luck with your dub from UAB.
thanks! and best of luck in all your future douchebaggery!
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